Discussed at connections-20080112

• Stafford Beer wasn't very influenced by Heinz von Foerster, since was only a few years old than Stafford.
  • Most of Stafford's influences were with Ross Ashby and Warren McCullough.
  • Heinz was running Macy Conferences, and then running projects in Illinois.
  • Heinz had other people, including Herbert Brun (in music composition), with one foot in the science community and one in the arts.
  • Heinz had an appointment in the school of dance.