Discussed at connections-20080112

• Stafford Beer and Ross Ashby were both in Britain. They not only got together at conferences, but got together for lunch for long lunches.
• [Stafford Beer]] was interested in Variety as the common measure of everything.
• When Stafford Beer was in United Steel, brought everyone from experts on snakes to theologians … included Ross Ashby and Warren McCullough
• Stafford was a socialist, and not happy that the productivity improvements would bring effort to the company down to 1/3, but the end result to the workers was barely enough to buy a pack of cigarettes.